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	<title>Comments on: Seas Turn to Acid as They Soak Up CO2.  What should we do?</title>
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		<title>By: Heretic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heretic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(gcnp58), did a decent job of explaining. There was some key points missing however that doesn&#039;t really effect anything other then, volume, and a mole to mole ratio. Another misconception is that calcium carbonate disappears...it doesn&#039;t and will recombine. So trying to understand how much buffering material is required has left many unanswered questions. 

One of your links suggested this has never occurred before. It has during the PETM(Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum) or about 55 million years ago. A 2005 study suggest that at least 4,000 billion tons of carbon would be needed for this to occur...or all the fossil fuel reserves burnt over the next three centuries.

ed: the second part of his statement is referring to Henry&#039;s Law. But then your going to assume the concentrate is purely CO2...?

http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/sci/A0833619.html&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;just enough chemistry to understand the basics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(gcnp58), did a decent job of explaining. There was some key points missing however that doesn&#8217;t really effect anything other then, volume, and a mole to mole ratio. Another misconception is that calcium carbonate disappears&#8230;it doesn&#8217;t and will recombine. So trying to understand how much buffering material is required has left many unanswered questions. </p>
<p>One of your links suggested this has never occurred before. It has during the PETM(Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum) or about 55 million years ago. A 2005 study suggest that at least 4,000 billion tons of carbon would be needed for this to occur&#8230;or all the fossil fuel reserves burnt over the next three centuries.</p>
<p>ed: the second part of his statement is referring to Henry&#8217;s Law. But then your going to assume the concentrate is purely CO2&#8230;?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/sci/A0833619.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/sci/A0833619.html</a><br /><b>References : </b><br />just enough chemistry to understand the basics.</p>
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		<title>By: Ret. Sgt.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ret. Sgt.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dont swim in it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont swim in it.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: CAPTAIN BEAR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CAPTAIN BEAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try and keep the emission under control.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try and keep the emission under control.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Dana1981, Master of Science</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana1981, Master of Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty simple answer - stop increasing atmospheric CO2 by burning fossil fuels.

Whether or not you believe AGW, there&#039;s no question that humans are increasing atmospheric CO2.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=87

And there&#039;s no question that this is causing the ocean to acidify, and there&#039;s no question that this acidification is killing coral reefs which are the habitat of millions of aquatic species.
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1847

So regardless of your beliefs with regards to AGW, this is one of many other reasons why we need to reduce our fossil fuel consumption.  There&#039;s also the fact that fossil fuels are a limited resource, that they&#039;re concentrated mainly in unfriendly political regions, that burning them emits other harmful byproducts besides CO2, etc. etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty simple answer &#8211; stop increasing atmospheric CO2 by burning fossil fuels.</p>
<p>Whether or not you believe AGW, there&#8217;s no question that humans are increasing atmospheric CO2.<br />
<a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=87" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=87</a></p>
<p>And there&#8217;s no question that this is causing the ocean to acidify, and there&#8217;s no question that this acidification is killing coral reefs which are the habitat of millions of aquatic species.<br />
<a href="http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1847" rel="nofollow">http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1847</a></p>
<p>So regardless of your beliefs with regards to AGW, this is one of many other reasons why we need to reduce our fossil fuel consumption.  There&#8217;s also the fact that fossil fuels are a limited resource, that they&#8217;re concentrated mainly in unfriendly political regions, that burning them emits other harmful byproducts besides CO2, etc. etc.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: gcnp58</title>
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		<dc:creator>gcnp58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taken as a collection, this is probably the most chemically ignorant set of answers I have seen, from the people who claim the natural pH of the ocean should be neutral to those who claim there is no way that atmospheric CO2 can affect ocean surface pH on short timescales.  Congratulations to all of you so far.  

There is nothing that can be done to compensate for ocean acidification due to increasing atmospheric CO2 aside from lowering atmospheric CO2 concentrations.  On the plus side, given a few thousand years or so enough carbonate rock will weather to bring ocean pH back to around 8.3 (which is the endpoint of titrating calcium/magnesium carbonate with carbonic acid).  
&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Chapter 3, Stumm and Morgan, Aquatic Chemistry, 2nd Ed., Wiley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taken as a collection, this is probably the most chemically ignorant set of answers I have seen, from the people who claim the natural pH of the ocean should be neutral to those who claim there is no way that atmospheric CO2 can affect ocean surface pH on short timescales.  Congratulations to all of you so far.  </p>
<p>There is nothing that can be done to compensate for ocean acidification due to increasing atmospheric CO2 aside from lowering atmospheric CO2 concentrations.  On the plus side, given a few thousand years or so enough carbonate rock will weather to bring ocean pH back to around 8.3 (which is the endpoint of titrating calcium/magnesium carbonate with carbonic acid).<br />
<br /><b>References : </b><br />Chapter 3, Stumm and Morgan, Aquatic Chemistry, 2nd Ed., Wiley</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Iron Fertilization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization

2.  Many tons of crushed limestone (grind up the coral reefs)&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Iron Fertilization<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization</a></p>
<p>2.  Many tons of crushed limestone (grind up the coral reefs)<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: James E</title>
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		<dc:creator>James E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>7.0 is neutral and the oceans are over 8.0 on pH right now which for a saltwater fish tank is dangerously alkaline and needs Co2 added to bring it into balance. What is being added to the oceans to make them so alkaline.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>7.0 is neutral and the oceans are over 8.0 on pH right now which for a saltwater fish tank is dangerously alkaline and needs Co2 added to bring it into balance. What is being added to the oceans to make them so alkaline.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: JOHNNIE B</title>
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		<dc:creator>JOHNNIE B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WRONG &gt; U do not need to be a chemist to know that if &amp; put salt into corbinated water it will release all the CO2.Plants must have COt to recycle to oxygen. If we do it your way we all die. &lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WRONG &gt; U do not need to be a chemist to know that if &amp; put salt into corbinated water it will release all the CO2.Plants must have COt to recycle to oxygen. If we do it your way we all die. <br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: jim z</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest that you stop worrying about every scare scenario that comes along.  
The article said:
&#039;The waters are like a Jacuzzi - there is so much carbon dioxide fizzing up from the seabed,&#039; said Dr Jason Hall-Spencer, of Plymouth University. &#039;Millions of litres of gas bubble up every day.&#039;

This CO2 must be volcanic in origin and is extremely local.  To assume or intentionally suggest (the author not you) that it is from the human CO2 is either ignorant or despicable (or both).  There is a lake in Africa that has volcanic CO2 stored up until it sometimes fizzes up and sometimes kills many people.  CO2 is much more soluable in cold deep water.  If water that was saturated with CO2 flowed into warmer shallower waters, it might release CO2 as well.  

The ocean has many times the pH as the atmosphere.  There are buffers in the ocean governing the pH levels.  The pH levels are perfectly stable but assumptions of significant increases in pH due to human emissions of CO2 are rediculous in my opinion.  (edit: oops  I meant to say they weren&#039;t perfectly stable)

Note:  Well now I understand.  IT was as I stated, an exaggeration and despicable.  Do you understand now?  I doubt it.  That is about as credible as going to Venus and suggesting this is where we are headed.   There is no lower limit for alarmism to sink to apparently.

Note:  In fact warming water precipitates CaCO3 (guess what that C is?)  It is carbon.  Calcite constantly precipitates in the ocean.  There are beaches of chemically precipitated calcite in Bermuda for example.  Here is a link that suggests there is 60 times the CO2 dissolved in the ocean than pre Industrial Atmosphere (or something to that effect) and discusses the buffering of the ocean to acidity.
http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/oceanography/faculty/zeebe_files/Publications/ZeebeWolfEnclp07.pdf

YOu will notice that you have not provided a number for how much CO2 humans have produced has increased the acidity.  I understand that laymen hear the word acid and they think, Oh my, we are all going to die.  In fact everything with a pH under 7 is acidic.   It doesn&#039;t sound as dire if you say less alkaline.   The bottom line is that effects of acidification are grossly exaggerated.  You have to learn to read between the lines in these sorts of studies.  You do the math.  I am not worried about it in the slightest.  I think all scientist that seek to scare people for no reason except additional funding and notoriety are despicable.  The link I gave throws the typical bones to global warming but I wouldn&#039;t call their conclusions despicable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest that you stop worrying about every scare scenario that comes along.<br />
The article said:<br />
&#8216;The waters are like a Jacuzzi &#8211; there is so much carbon dioxide fizzing up from the seabed,&#8217; said Dr Jason Hall-Spencer, of Plymouth University. &#8216;Millions of litres of gas bubble up every day.&#8217;</p>
<p>This CO2 must be volcanic in origin and is extremely local.  To assume or intentionally suggest (the author not you) that it is from the human CO2 is either ignorant or despicable (or both).  There is a lake in Africa that has volcanic CO2 stored up until it sometimes fizzes up and sometimes kills many people.  CO2 is much more soluable in cold deep water.  If water that was saturated with CO2 flowed into warmer shallower waters, it might release CO2 as well.  </p>
<p>The ocean has many times the pH as the atmosphere.  There are buffers in the ocean governing the pH levels.  The pH levels are perfectly stable but assumptions of significant increases in pH due to human emissions of CO2 are rediculous in my opinion.  (edit: oops  I meant to say they weren&#8217;t perfectly stable)</p>
<p>Note:  Well now I understand.  IT was as I stated, an exaggeration and despicable.  Do you understand now?  I doubt it.  That is about as credible as going to Venus and suggesting this is where we are headed.   There is no lower limit for alarmism to sink to apparently.</p>
<p>Note:  In fact warming water precipitates CaCO3 (guess what that C is?)  It is carbon.  Calcite constantly precipitates in the ocean.  There are beaches of chemically precipitated calcite in Bermuda for example.  Here is a link that suggests there is 60 times the CO2 dissolved in the ocean than pre Industrial Atmosphere (or something to that effect) and discusses the buffering of the ocean to acidity.<br />
<a href="http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/oceanography/faculty/zeebe_files/Publications/ZeebeWolfEnclp07.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/oceanography/faculty/zeebe_files/Publications/ZeebeWolfEnclp07.pdf</a></p>
<p>YOu will notice that you have not provided a number for how much CO2 humans have produced has increased the acidity.  I understand that laymen hear the word acid and they think, Oh my, we are all going to die.  In fact everything with a pH under 7 is acidic.   It doesn&#8217;t sound as dire if you say less alkaline.   The bottom line is that effects of acidification are grossly exaggerated.  You have to learn to read between the lines in these sorts of studies.  You do the math.  I am not worried about it in the slightest.  I think all scientist that seek to scare people for no reason except additional funding and notoriety are despicable.  The link I gave throws the typical bones to global warming but I wouldn&#8217;t call their conclusions despicable.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Dr Jello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Jello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tums soaks up excess acid.  Dump Tums in the ocean.  In an emergency any flavor will do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tums soaks up excess acid.  Dump Tums in the ocean.  In an emergency any flavor will do.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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